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Of Venezuela. The Situation Does Relate to Climate Change. And the US Has No Business Dictating Anything There

Shanelle

Member
This is such a joke. According to them, the food crisis in Venezuela is "not that serious" and during the blackout it was "paradise." And just because those journalists were in Venezuela does not mean they were being honest. Max Blumenthal and Abby Martin also went to Venezuela and made up all kinds of lies to make Maduro look good, because these people work for news networks that are funded by the Russian and Venezuelan governments. Russia has troops in Venezuela, and they very much want Maduro to remain in power. RT Posts Video to ‘Prove’ Venezuelans Don’t Need Outside Humanitarian Aid

Venezuela's revolution of hunger: a photo essay

There are journalists who have been to Venezuela who offer good, honest reports and you and others on here dismiss them as "MSM lies" or "liberal, capitalist propaganda." You and other leading voices of SCNCC have thrown Venezuelans under the bus. Much of the left shares the same weird pro-fascist views, and journalists have noticed.

"This movement is dangerously glorifying a brutal dictator and promoting inaction. That is the worst combination for ordinary Venezuelans." What My Fellow Liberals Don’t Get About Venezuela

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-left-must-find-its-voice-on-venezuela/2019/02/07/0481f918-2b20-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.2bd33c762898

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/22/time-left-join-michelle-bachelet-condemning-venezuelas-abuses/?utm_term=.98bbe8e5e21a

Finally, Chomsky is getting called out on his BS. https://www.wola.org/2019/03/peaceful-democratic-solution-venezuelas-crisis-requires-fact-based-analysis-advocacy/

Maduro is not as bad as the diabolical Kim Jong-un or Assad, but he's still a monster who is responsible for destroying millions of lives. So unless you, Gunther, John, David, Howard, and William are willing to walk back the initial support/defense of Maduro, condemn the dictator, and stand on the side of human rights, then continuing this conversation is pointless and it's over. I'm disgusted by the views you, SCNCCers, and many other leftists have expressed. Good luck with everything.
 

Shanelle

Member
Jose,

Here is the article I've written for Areo magazine on why the socialist Left is dangerous. It is about Syria and Venezuela, and I did mention the Left's support for Milosevic years ago.


Also, I recently came across an article written by a socialist on Monthly Review defending Mao, who killed millions of people.

I'm part of a new network that opposes the pro-fascist Left. We have strong liberal values, and you might interested in it.
 

Sandra Lindberg

Moderator
Jose,

Here is the article I've written for Areo magazine on why the socialist Left is dangerous. It is about Syria and Venezuela, and I did mention the Left's support for Milosevic years ago.


Also, I recently came across an article written by a socialist on Monthly Review defending Mao, who killed millions of people.

I'm part of a new network that opposes the pro-fascist Left. We have strong liberal values, and you might interested in it.
I am glad to see you publishing and adding your voice to all of us who are trying to understand what is unfolding in the world. I still do not agree with your characterizations of much surrounding this issue, but your article was interesting to read. Glad you've provided a link here.
 

Jose P

New Member
Jose,

Here is the article I've written for Areo magazine on why the socialist Left is dangerous. It is about Syria and Venezuela, and I did mention the Left's support for Milosevic years ago.


Also, I recently came across an article written by a socialist on Monthly Review defending Mao, who killed millions of people.

I'm part of a new network that opposes the pro-fascist Left. We have strong liberal values, and you might interested in it.
Shanelle - I saw your article in Areo, thought it was really excellent, well-researched and linked, great stuff. Thanks for that.

You know - imo, with all human knowledge and endeavors, the truth about anything is never knowable perfectly. I think Sandra touched on this in an earlier post. There will always be differing opinions. With 7.5 billion minds on the planet, how could there not be? Pick a position - any position, like, say the Earth is flat, gravity is an illusion, cholesterol is evil - you name it, you will find people who believe it and will argue endlessly over it. It's part of life. Unless you are in Venezuela to see what's going on there, you really can't know anything for sure. I've been there... but how can I convince others who have not? I can't. All I can do is state what I believe to be true. Eventually, truth does have a way of rising to the top of the chaos through which we all swim. Not always, but often. Hopefully, this will be one of those times. We'll see.
 

Shanelle

Member
Jose,

That's why it's important to listen Venezuelans and Syrians who actually have experience living under these terrible regimes. But the (mostly white) socialists in the West refuse to do that. Instead they listen to fellow white leftists like Noam Chomsky and John Pilger, who are genocide deniers and often repeat pro-dictator nonsense.

The bigger problem is that the far-left and far-right are more similar than different. Many socialists, especially in the West, are racist. We can see this now in the UK's Labour Party and in the Corbyn movement. Corbyn himself has surrounded himself with anti-Semites and Stalinists, like Seumas Milne.

Many socialists are also nationalists, and they promote right-wing isolationism.

They view liberalism as their main enemy and not fascism. In fact, "liberal" is like a dirty word to socialists -- used as an insult. Socialists would much rather collaborate with fascists to defeat liberals than collaborate with liberals to defeat fascism.

Just look at the Left's awful record. The Left is responsible for at least 100 million deaths. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Milosevic, etc.

James Bloodworth pointed out:

"Central planning is inimical to the lofty aim of workplace democracy and the prospect of more democracy. You cannot have a central plan unless organizations on and workers adhere to it. Thus you cannot advocate central planning on the one hand and workplace democracy on the other. As soon as workers rebel against the state's central plan their democratic rights are stripped from them. This is precisely what has happened during tentative experiments in workers democracy in the former Yugoslavia and elsewhere."

Yet the only thing socialists care about is the nationalized economy, and not the human rights abuses.

One of the worst ideas that gets floated around in socialist circles is that we should have world government. This would almost certainly lead to global tyranny and it would be impossible to escape.

Capitalism sucks but it's not even the worst imaginable economic system. What many socialists advocate for is actually worse. Socialists in the West would know this if they had to live under the starvation torture regimes they say they love so much.

Socialism is the failed idea that never dies.
 
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